Wild Weasel EWO explains why the F-4G had a small chance to survive a DACT engagement with the F-15 Eagle but no chance with the F-16 Viper

Wild Weasel EWO explains why the F-4G had a small chance to survive a DACT engagement with the F-15 Eagle but no chance with the F-16 Viper

By Dario Leone
Jun 1 2023
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‘The small chance we had against an F-15 Eagle was gone against the F-16 Viper. Not even putting down the landing gear and letting him fly by us worked!!!’ Jim Howard, former F-4G and EF-111A EWO.

F-4G Wild Weasels were modified F-4E fighters with their cannon replaced by AN/APR-47 electronic warfare equipment. Their mission was to attack enemy air defenses, including surface-to-air missile (SAM) air defense radars. One hundred sixteen F-4Es were rebuilt as F-4Gs for this special purpose.

Carrying AGM-88A/B/C High Speed Anti-Radiation Missiles (HARM), the F-4G worked in concert with other F-4Gs or as a hunter aircraft directing fighter-bombers, such as the F-16, against SAM sites. The F-4G carried a pilot and an Electronic Warfare Officer (EWO), who navigated, assisted with communications and coordinated attacks on the SAM sites.

How did the F-4G fare against the F-15 Eagle and against the F-16 Viper during dissimilar aircraft combat training (DACT)?

‘In ancient times I was the last EWO in the 67th TFS Wild Weasel squadron when it converted from the F-4Cww to the F-15A,’ Jim Howard, former F-4G and EF-111A EWO, explains on Quora.

The Great Shoot-off: US Naval Aviator tells the story of the huge DACT session where many F-14s faced many F-15s (Spoiler: The Tomcats scored a lot of simulated kills against the Eagles)

‘Sadly, the 67th recently shut down without a replacement.

‘All of my pilot friends raved about how much they loved the Eagle, and how easy it was to fly compared to the F-4. An F-15 instructor said he could solo a private pilot in the Eagle after three rides.

‘The Weasel mission moved to the 90TFS in the Philippines, and I wound up flying against the same guys in their Eagles a couple of times. The nice thing about the Eagle was that we in our F-4Gs had at least a small chance against them. We could see them a long way away and, and could exchange AIM-7 missiles head-on. Then we had to run away as fast as two J-79 motors could take us. To hang around F-15s in an F-4 was certain death, but we did sometimes succeed in living through the encounter.

‘The F-15 was a big target, we could see them 30 to 40 miles away head on.

‘(You have to remember that the AN/APQ-120 was a manually operated radar. The back seater had adjust tilt, gain, and scan to find a target, and then mentally compute his heading and altitude. This was easy to mess up in the heat of battle. Modern radars think for the operators, but those radars didn’t, not a bit.)

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Then F-16s showed up in the Pacific. The only nice thing about that was that you died relaxed because YOU COULDN’T SEE THE B******S UNTIL YOUR WARNING GEAR LITE UP. By then they were camped at your six o’clock and an AIM-9 was on the way, worse, a hail of 20mm rounds.’

Howard concludes;

‘The small chance we had against an Eagle was gone against the Viper. Not even putting down the landing gear and letting him fly by us worked!!!

‘(OK, that slow down and let him fly by tactics only worked in the movies. But nothing else would either if the Viper saw your first.)’

Photo credit: U.S. Air Force

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Dario Leone

Dario Leone

Dario Leone is an aviation, defense and military writer. He is the Founder and Editor of “The Aviation Geek Club” one of the world’s most read military aviation blogs. His writing has appeared in The National Interest and other news media. He has reported from Europe and flown Super Puma and Cougar helicopters with the Swiss Air Force.

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